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Your block is an informal block. I am very imp...Hy!<br />Your block is an informal block. I am very impressed by continuing with your information and continuing to write.<br />Thanks for sharing.<br /><a href="http://jazari.com.pk/space-structures-in-pakistan/" rel="nofollow">here</a>Agha Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08667914291272099661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-35973872325480564012018-07-08T23:30:43.891-07:002018-07-08T23:30:43.891-07:00Thanks for finding our blog which has been inactiv...Thanks for finding our blog which has been inactive now for several years. Not sure how your ideas connect to questions concerning visual space, though, and what you describe sounds like science fiction. Most of what you write concerns a third person (objective) view of an individual, not the first person (subjective) point of view each of us uniquely knows. Identical twins are typically very close psychologically but they are still two different people--i.e., two different subjective points of view--so merely making a "print" (or clone) as you describe does not solve the problem of the first person point of view, something each of us cannot share with another, though the late James Culbertson did think it was possible to connect to someone else's consciousness in his book "The Minds of Robots" and subsequent books that refined his ideas. The head of our lab at UCSD, V.S. Ramachandran, has also written about what is called the "Twin Paradox" in a paper published last year (2017) with Baland Jalal entitled "The Twin Vantage Point Paradox: A Thought Experiment." Rama has been thinking about this paradox for 40 years. <br />https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Baland_Jalal/publication/322445618_The_Twin_Vantage_Point_Paradox_A_Thought_Experiment/links/5a6713bcaca2720266b436fe/The-Twin-Vantage-Point-Paradox-A-Thought-Experiment.pdfBill Rosarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050087683794239783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-75690113724241842802018-07-08T17:36:40.573-07:002018-07-08T17:36:40.573-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.tonyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08253501266473243514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-82241166014981302372018-07-08T17:14:25.448-07:002018-07-08T17:14:25.448-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.tonyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08253501266473243514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-58266745143672729802010-11-04T16:51:32.793-07:002010-11-04T16:51:32.793-07:00'What lies beyond the space of a dream,' a...'What lies beyond the space of a dream,' as Jason Brown asks, is a cogent question, because from an informational standpoint--content--it seems to share content of perception as well as (apparently) precognitive content *to be perceived* in the future, and thus eventually in VS. In the case of hypogogic/hypnopompic hallucinations there are dramatic "morphings" of dream into "reality" and the reverse, some of which I have experienced myself. I can recall experiences in which the dream visual field literally transformed into the normal visual field with my eyes open, but it was not like changing the channel on a TV at all. It really was very much like morphing for me because the transformation seemed to occur at the microlevel, as if the dream image found a way of changing into the "real" "normal" things I was then seeing--not at all like a "dissolve" in a movie either, in which there is an overlap between two images. Exactly how that process might occur may be something that Lothar Kleine-Horst may explain in relationship to what the Ganzheit psychologists called "microgenesis" of visual perception (German: Akutalgenese), the leading Austrian-American researcher of being Heinz Werner (Clark University).Bill Rosarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050087683794239783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-38772623675269327892010-11-04T16:42:04.282-07:002010-11-04T16:42:04.282-07:00I think we should think of VS--and perceptual spac...I think we should think of VS--and perceptual space--as being structurally, if not informationally--isolated. Why that is so seems the big puzzle. But I would still like to know what Poincare says about a physiological basis to perceptual dimensionality. Can you supply the passage, Simon?Bill Rosarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050087683794239783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-22824077297146919912010-11-04T15:43:57.932-07:002010-11-04T15:43:57.932-07:00A belated welcome to Simon! I am very much in favo...A belated welcome to Simon! I am very much in favour of new and stimulating hypotheses such as yours. I think our two approaches are compatible. I support the idea (as does Bernard) that phenomenal consciousness itself lies outside the brain i.e. in higher-dimensional space a la Brane theory: and it (or part of it) could do so in a holographic form. My theory at present focusses only on the 'inner core' of consciousness (i.e. the experienced phenomenal 'world' ) but there is no reason why hologram-based memory banks could not surround this (unexperienced—i.e. outside Plato's Cave—remember Jason Brown's cogent remark "No one asks what lies beyond the space of a dream.").<br />I was also intrigued with Berkovich's statement about "traveling wave solutions propagating in a helicoidal form". This reminded me of the hitherto unexplained helicoid Ehrenhaft phenomenon (the complex and beautiful helical patterns spun out by minute dust particles in a strong beam of light). These are illustrated in my book "The Walls of Plato's Cave."john smythieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607582690174724189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-29103852357697287382010-11-01T12:22:02.016-07:002010-11-01T12:22:02.016-07:00Bill, unfortunately while I read this material lon...Bill, unfortunately while I read this material long ago when I was initially researching these issues, I don't have a copy of Poincare's Dernieres Pensees. If Simon has a copy maybe he can post something from it though.Robert Frenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001286838161598884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-2518324547959018122010-11-01T10:05:56.761-07:002010-11-01T10:05:56.761-07:00There are really several issues, but the overall q...There are really several issues, but the overall question of whether perceptual space (especially visual space) must be of N dimensions in order to interface with a holographic-type memory system is, I feel, the main one. <br /><br />Can Simon or Bob find the passage in Poincare about the question of physiological determinancy of perceptual space? It might be nice to have that quoted here (or part of it). If it is long, we should perhaps make it a separate posting.Bill Rosarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050087683794239783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-41614981236592498952010-10-28T09:24:29.039-07:002010-10-28T09:24:29.039-07:00I find Simon's proposal very intriguing, and a...I find Simon's proposal very intriguing, and always have since I first read it back in 1980. The only basic question I have, though, is that the theory seems to start as a theory of memory and memory retrieval but then talks of perception. So I would ask, Simon, how does the dimensionality of perceptual space depend upon the dimensionality of memory information?Bill Rosarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050087683794239783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-31632975184283562012010-10-26T06:11:13.344-07:002010-10-26T06:11:13.344-07:00I also wish to welcome Simon to the group. One iss...I also wish to welcome Simon to the group. One issue that I have with Poincare is that in Dernieres Pensees he also says that it takes "a little good will" to give three dimensions to our visual experiences. I find it to be noteworthy that even with the case of viewing a hologram we still don't perceive interiors, and that perceived regions can be bounded by edges, which are one dimensional (making the resulting experience two dimensional by Poincare's own criterion for dimensionality). I wonder then whether he isn't conflating the issues of not being flat (in metric concept of not possessing a Euclidean metric) with the issue of dimensionality (a topologic concept). I don't think that the issue of "good will" should confuse these issues.Robert Frenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001286838161598884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-42803243374555589522010-10-25T17:48:15.557-07:002010-10-25T17:48:15.557-07:00In his latest work - “Pourquoi l’espace a trois d...In his latest work - “Pourquoi l’espace a trois dimension?”, Dernieres Pensee, Flamarion, Paris, 1913 – H. Poincare put forward the idea that the tridimensionality of the space of perception is determined by the physiological specifics of the human brain. <br /><br />I have considered the holographic model of human memory, and in elaboration of the Poincare approach, showed how it leads to the tridimensionality of the space of perception. This comes as consequence of Huygen’s principle – holographic mechanism can rely only on narrow wavefronts, and according to Huygen’s principle this can happen only in 3D space.<br /><br />H. Poincare presents a recursive definition of dimensionality. A point has dimension 0.<br />A line can be divided by a point in separated parts, so a line has dimensionality 1. <br />A surface area can be divided by in separated parts by a line, so surface has dimensionality 2. A volume can be divided by a surface in separated parts, so volume has dimensionality 3. And so on. <br /><br />At any given moment of time, a holographic mechanism can handle only a 2D slice.<br />In a certain time interval, this mechanism can retain a sequence of 2D slices, i.e. crossections of a 3D object. So, holographic mechanism can effectively process only objects of a dimension not greater than 3.Simon Berkovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03294816541678388401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-21851438095444778642010-10-25T08:32:39.313-07:002010-10-25T08:32:39.313-07:00Just rereading the relevant part of your 1976 pape...Just rereading the relevant part of your 1976 paper I see Poincaré's criteria for defining dimensionality (as well as a higher dimensional embedding space), but not how he thought this was physiologically determined in the case of perceptual space.Bill Rosarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050087683794239783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608508031853237690.post-9767352167874104732010-10-25T08:08:45.514-07:002010-10-25T08:08:45.514-07:00Welcome Simon! It is very nice indeed to have a di...Welcome Simon! It is very nice indeed to have a distinguished computer scientist in our ranks, as well as Soviet expatriate, since Russian literature potentially relevant to our topic is wholly unknown to us. <br /><br />In your 1976 paper "The Dimensionality of the Informational Structures in the Space of Perception (Posing of Problem)" that appeared in the journal "Biofizika," the abstract refers to the "known hypothesis of Poincaré on the physiological determinacy of the property of three-dimensionality of the space of perception." Could you briefly tell us what Poincare's hypothesis is? (I, for one, am not familiar with it.)Bill Rosarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050087683794239783noreply@blogger.com